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Post by Valeri Petrofsky on Nov 20, 2004 18:33:10 GMT -5
Hi there I am new to this board but have always been a big fan of Pierce Brosnan. I got into him when "The Family Channel" started playing Remington Steele every week night around the time he was announced as the new Bond. I loved the show and totally bought into Brosnan as being the cool irish gent with the shady past. And soimagine my shock, horror and stunned amazement when my mother bought home a magazine (that she got from the dentist waiting room no less!) that had a picture of Brosnan in the days before Remington looking..well.very un-remington. The picture was of Pierce and Cassie together, and in the picture his teeth were terrible, and I mean terrible. He had obviously had major work done to them, as it really changed his entire face. Add to that, he also sported long BROWN hair, not black like he had in Remington. IThe caption next to the photo said "Cassie helped Brosnan turn into a hollywood star, staring by giving him a hollywood smile, in other words getting him to have his teeth capped. Brosnan always says he never had any work done(plastic surgery wise) but he sure as hell had a lot of work done on his teeth, because when you see him before, he is a different man altogether! Has anyone seen pictures of Pierce pre capped teeth? If so, please post them so I can see.
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Post by Ace on Nov 20, 2004 19:11:44 GMT -5
It's not news. He's spoken of it before and rather openly. He didn't visit a dentist until he was 11 in London and then they weren't concerned about cosmetic issues. Just look at many English actors and you'll see that perfect teeth aren't a priority for many. If you see the films The Mirror Crack'd & Long Good Friday or the mini series Nancy Astor and The Manions of America you'll see him before his teeth were fixed. Facially he looks the same, just the teeth are different. There are some photos on this board from then in the TV and Film section, under the topic early Theater and TV Photos. Found it: HEREAnd Cassie didn't pay for them to be fixed (she didn't have any money). NBC did when he got the job as Remington Steele. As for his hair, it's dark brown. It was dark brown on RS as well. Ace
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Post by Valeri Petrofsky on Nov 21, 2004 4:33:42 GMT -5
Dark brown? It looked jet black in Remington Steele, I always felt that because Steele was Irish (as Brosnan is I know) that they wanted him to look as irish as possible and so gave him very dark hair, I would be very surprised if he didn't have it dyed in them days. The pictures of Brosnan's pre caps days did make a huge difference. Before he was a good looking guy, but the teeth made a huge difference. One thing I did always notice (from the first time I saw his teeth) was how they only ever capped the top ones, not the bottom. Probably best, or they could look like BEE GEE teeth ;D! Actually I've never heard him talk about his teeth problems, only a short mention in one of his biographys. The ones that comment on it (in the biographys) are his ex girlfriends who normally say something like, he weighed a lot more when I knew him and his teeth were crooked, in other words, they mean they wouldn't of let Remington go! ) Anyone else has pre capped Brosnan pics, please post them. Valeri Petrofsky
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Post by Valeri Petrofsky on Nov 21, 2004 4:37:44 GMT -5
All I've got on that link is loads of those little Fortune City pics , no actual photos. What am I doing wrong? Valeri Petrofsky
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Post by nah on Nov 21, 2004 6:36:39 GMT -5
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Post by Valerie Petrofsky on Nov 21, 2004 9:54:59 GMT -5
Brosnan is one guy who certainly got better with age. God knows why he grew the moustache! I wonder if he had it when he was up for the role of Remington?
Valerie Petrofsky
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Post by Ace on Nov 21, 2004 10:14:46 GMT -5
He's going to look different in that photo, he has a thick bushy mustache and he's smiling broadly. If you notice from his earlier roles he didn't smile using a lot of teeth for understandable reasons. Then again he wasn't playing in comedies. His eyes often didn't even look blue on RS, the lighting wasn't the greatest. His hair is a dark black blown, always has been from photos of him as a child. It was just as dark as when he did Bond as when he did RS. Steele wasn't even meant to be Irish when he was hired so "looking" Irish wasn't a priority. Besides most "Black" Irish don't have black hair anyway, it's usually dark-black-brown. The mustache was no doubt for a role, he was an actor long before Steele and did different kinds of roles requiring different weight/different hair etc. Just like now. FortuneCity can be a pain, sometimes the pics load sometimes they don't but they're there, just keep hitting reload or refresh til they pop up, sometimes the server is slow. Pierce in 1979 in Murphy's Stroke Pierce in 1980 in The Professionals Pierce in 1980 in The Mirror Cracked
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Post by sparklingblue on Nov 21, 2004 11:25:54 GMT -5
Oh my, don't be shocked about PB's "earlier" teeth! They were just a little crooked, but otherwise they looked "taken-care-of", if you know what I mean. He had them done and it looks great now. As for his face, don't you think that, as a person gets older, their face changes, and Pierce is very fortunate because it seems that his looks improved with the years.
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Post by Valeri Petrofsky on Nov 21, 2004 12:29:51 GMT -5
His face has improved, Brosnan looked great in Remington Steele, although as my mom used to say,a little too much like a clothes mannequin from a shop window. She also laughs at his hair in the Remington days, that looks like it weighed a ton. I think he looked his best in The Fourth Protocol, Taffin and The Lawn Mower Man. Oh, and Goldeneye. I didn't like how he looked in The World is Not Enough though as he seems to have put on weight, and a short hair cut and a heavy face does not suit Pierce. It just makes him look older than he is. However, in After the Sunset he looks his old self again, and by that I mean "Most handsome man on the planet" I'm surprised that his hair was not dyed for Remington Steele, there are some episodes where his hair even looks a tinge of dark blue (the old too much black mistake). It is quite evident in the Remington Steel in many episodes, but then maybe I'm going colour blind if no-one else agrees. And he only grew the moustache for a role, he seems to be wearing it in every "early pictures with family" shot I see of him!
Valeri Petrofsky
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Post by Viktoria on Nov 22, 2004 9:33:49 GMT -5
Hi there The picture was of Pierce and Cassie together, and in the picture his teeth were terrible, and I mean terrible. He had obviously had major work done to them, as it really changed his entire face. .... always says he never had any work done(plastic surgery wise) but he sure as hell had a lot of work done on his teeth, because when you see him before, he is a different man altogether! I don`t think his teeth were terrible - not very celebrity-like, that is true. I know only a few people who have never done something on their teeth so I don`t care about Pierces teeth. And I guess you can`t compare the care of his teeth with plastic surgery BTW:Ace, thanks for the email. Now everything works fine for me
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Post by Valeri Petrofsky on Nov 22, 2004 10:45:53 GMT -5
I can guarantee you that Brosnan would not have been given the role of Remington if his teeth had remained the same. That photo I saw of him in Hello! magazine (a close up of him and Cassie) does not seem to be in any of the gallerys that are linked in the threads, but believe me they were terribly crooked . The photo I saw was taken on the same occasion as the black and white one shown near the top of this thread (they were wearing the same clothes), you can't tell in that one how bad they looked. As for the plastic surgery, teeth being capped debate, when a persons teeth are changed from ugly to perfect and it makes such a difference (a Hollywood career or erm..character work) than I would say he is not able to say "I've had no work done", because he has. Photos don't lie! Valeri Petrofsky
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Post by Yuliya on Nov 22, 2004 10:56:15 GMT -5
He never said he hadn't had any dental work done, just that he hadn't had any plastic surgery - that's what "I've never had any word done" quote refers to, if I remember the context. Capping his teeth was a part of his Remington Steele contract; NBC made it a condition on which he had the job and they paid for it, too. And those teeth were terrible - the 2nd on the right was black all over, which you can see on the photograph with Cassie. It's still a little darker than the rest; I remember a few scenes in a few movies where it shows. There wasn't any straightening done, though; judging from his pre-Steele movies I don't think any was needed, besides, it's a lengthy process.
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Post by Valeri Petrofsky on Nov 22, 2004 12:58:12 GMT -5
I never realised his tooth was black all over. I hate to say this fellow Brosnan fans, but if they were that bad (BLACK!) than I bet his breath was horrible! I'm sure he was over joyed that Remington Steele was going to pay for his teeth to be done. Instant fame and a new smile. One more thing Brosnan had to do I seem to remember was lose weight for Remington. So his new teeth, a slimmer look and his hair looking (in mind mind at least) darker, he was a new man. One thing you have to think of, and that is with Brosnan looking better in the mouth and more handsome in the face with his slimmer look, I bet his ex girlfriends were mad they got the uncapped weighty version and not the Bond, James Bond, new and improved version! Has there been many quotes/interviews with Brosnan's former girlfriends? Valeri Petrofsky
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Post by Yuliya on Nov 22, 2004 13:15:40 GMT -5
Yes, right, those were both NBC's conditions to get the part of Steele - have the teeth capped and lose a few pounds he had at the time; I think in his pre-Steele days he kept going back and forth, depending on the part. Yeah, there were some interviews with PB's former girlfriends. You'll have to dig them up for yourself if you like that kind of stuff. York Membery in his bio writes about a few of them; I'm sure other biographers do, too. Feeling sorry for his former girlfriends, though, remember that this brand new star in many ways owed his career to his wife - she urged him to go to the States, sugested he took first available job (namely, Remington Steele,) advices on how to play the part, etc., etc. She married a private who she knew had a potential to become a general, sadly, she didn't get to be married to the general. With any other girlfriend or wife, who know what he'd become.
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Post by Ace on Nov 22, 2004 14:17:19 GMT -5
I never realised his tooth was black all over. I hate to say this fellow Brosnan fans, but if they were that bad (BLACK!) than I bet his breath was horrible! I'm sure he was over joyed that Remington Steele was going to pay for his teeth to be done. Instant fame and a new smile. One more thing Brosnan had to do I seem to remember was lose weight for Remington. So his new teeth, a slimmer look and his hair looking (in mind mind at least) darker, he was a new man. One thing you have to think of, and that is with Brosnan looking better in the mouth and more handsome in the face with his slimmer look, I bet his ex girlfriends were mad they got the uncapped weighty version and not the Bond, James Bond, new and improved version! Has there been many quotes/interviews with Brosnan's former girlfriends? Valeri Petrofsky Oh good lord, look at him in Manions of America (which was quite big in the U.S. and what made him a heartthrob here before RS and what got him an agent and the RS interview) or Nancy Astor (nominated for a Golden Globe later for it), both leading romantic roles, pre Steele, he's bloody lovely. If you think his looks weren't part of why he was hired for the Glazgow Citz (which has a history of hiring some very good looking men), or by Tennesse Williams or Zefferelli, then you're highly mistaken. RS hardly made him a new man, it got his teeth fixed. If you read the shakey Membery bio culled from tabloids and old girlfriends/friends, yes they mention the teeth and a couple of pounds but they also say he always very good looking. And if you look at early photos of him from theater and film (as posted) work he's still gorgeous. No matter, if girlfriends were lamenting letting him go because he got even better good looking or famous, BOO HOO. (although actually most don't mention any of that, they talk about how nice he was) As Yuliya pointed out, he might not have become as famous if not for Cassie's belief in him, although he was highly ambitious in his own right. Ace
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Post by Valeri Petrofsky on Nov 22, 2004 14:25:38 GMT -5
The former girlfriends are always interesting to listen to. I have a friend who dated a woman whose claim to fame she told him was that she dated Brosnan in his drama student days . I was amazed although I didn't want to look like too much of a sad fan by quizzing him so much, although he did say that of all the people he wanted to compete with, Pierce Brosnan wasn't one of them. I teased him that at least he's dated a (sort of) Bond girl. Yeah, I never said he wasn't a good looking chap before Remington. As long as he kept his mouth shut (!) He looked good in the long good friday for instance... Valeri Petrofsky
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Post by Lauryn on Nov 22, 2004 20:57:53 GMT -5
Oh good lord, look at him in Manions of America (which was quite big in the U.S. and what made him a heartthrob here before RS and what got him an agent and the RS interview) or Nancy Astor (nominated for a Golden Globe later for it), both leading romantic roles, pre Steele, he's bloody lovely. If you think his looks weren't part of why he was hired for the Glazgow Citz (which has a history of hiring some very good looking men), or by Tennesse Williams or Zefferelli, then you're highly mistaken. RS hardly made him a new man, it got his teeth fixed. Precisely. Even in PB’s Drama Centre days, despite his talent and inclination for character parts, his teachers and peers (I suspect) were not harboring many illusions that he would be offered a great deal of work in that line; he’s always had the aura and attributes of a leading man. Even if his looks were a bit less flawless then, it’s still unmistakable. As for Tennessee Williams and Zeffirelli (and their eye for male beauty) here’s a bit from a 1995 Movieline interview that touches on the question. Q: Let's go back to the beginning of your own career. Your big break came when you appeared in a Tennessee Williams play. Red Devil Battery Sign. Did you get to know Williams?
A: I met him. He was quiet, but he had a glint in his eye. He sent me a letter on the first night saying, "Thank God for you. my dear boy. Love, Tennessee."
Q: Knowing of Williams's fondness for handsome men, how did you take that?
A: I took it in every way, including that I was just such a brilliant actor….Which, I think, is absolutely the perfect response... His ambition has always been one of the things I most admire about him. Without it, no actor’s work, or career (most certainly) will have the same vitality. Though Cassie did prod him to go to the US I think he would have tried it eventually, with or without her. He’s never made any secret of his desire to work in Hollywood films. Unlike most English actors, he was trained in the American style, and many of the actors he idolizes are prototypically American – Eastwood, McQueen, DeNiro, Pacino. Not to imply he doesn’t value his stage training, in fact he’s often thanked God for it, but he’s never been a theater snob -- an unwelcome form of martyrdom, hair shirt and all, if one is unlucky enough to get stuck doing rep in the provinces (a fate PB was at pains to avoid, he has mentioned on occasion). If he ever does return to his theater roots it would be nice to pair him up with someone experienced who can help him get over his stage fright. Geoffrey Rush, whom he seems to have been good mates with, might be ideal. (They made such a winning combination in TOP, and perhaps GR’s learned a few new dance steps.)
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Post by Yuliya on Nov 23, 2004 8:56:53 GMT -5
I don't imply PB's career was only Cassie's doing, but if I'm not mistaken, the streets of Hollywood are paved with ambitious talented actors who want to make it big. Some don't have enough talent, some aren't ambitious enough, some take a few wrong career steps and nobody would hire them. Some are better in their theater parts and though eventually make it big in the movies still end up digitized after their demise and pasted in a farce of a movie. (Sorry, couldn't help it.) I have an impression that Cassie was a lot more ambitious than PB, or at least that she was a lot more adventurous and able to act on those ambitions. It was her idea to go to America when Manions were aired there, it was her idea how to pay for the trip. Without her PB might not have accepted Steele since he was set to do movies. It was she who told him, "What are you doing?" when not having any experience with comedy he showed her how he was going to play Steele (I'd love to know what it was but it never got filmed - she told him how to play it.) Cassie was also the one who pushed the PR, hired the publicist, etc. It reminds me of an old Jewish fable about a rabai who, during a deluge in Galilee sent away 3 boats saying he had spent his life serving to the God, the God would save him. When he died, he asked the God hoe he could abandon him. The God said, "Come on, I sent you 3 boats, what else did you want?" Cassie was such a boat; without her, he would have to find another one or learn to swim for himself, that's all. It's entirely possible he would have made big without all that. A lot of actors did. A lot of them didn't, we just don't know them - they never made it.
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Post by Valeri Petrofsky on Nov 23, 2004 9:59:47 GMT -5
I think Cassie was more ambitious than Pierce, I remember him saying that when he didn't get the Bond job, she took it harder than he did.
Valeri Petrofsky
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Post by Ace on Nov 23, 2004 12:25:58 GMT -5
I think Cassie was more ambitious than Pierce, I remember him saying that when he didn't get the Bond job, she took it harder than he did. Valeri Petrofsky That doesn't mean Cassie was more ambitious than he was. It's just that it's usual that she took a major dissapointment harder, which isn't unusual, we often are more dissapointed when things don't happen for people we love than for we are for ourselves. Yuliya, part of the reason though he didn't jump to go to America was that he had a wife and kids and a new house to take care of and pay for. If he didn't have any of those responsibilities he might have gone earlier. If he didn't have any of those responsibilities he might not have taken RS, but would have been able to wait for other projects he might have liked more, that may or may not have come around. His entire career could and probably would have been different without Cassie but. It would have been different as so many of our lives are when we make choices with other people in our lives. I don't think it would have been because of lack of ambition, drive and hard work which he showed, as Lauryn pointed out, before he met Cassie From a recent interview in CHUD: Q: Pierce, do you find it’s harder to get excited about the scripts you see?
Brosnan: Heavens no. I’m still as hungry as I was at 24 years of age when I wanted to steal the world and steal the thunder. And Lauryn I LOVE that quote about Tenessee Williams. It shows young PB as pragmatic, accepting, starry eyed, and prideful all in one shot. Ace
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