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Post by Ace on Sept 17, 2003 20:45:42 GMT -5
The paomnnehil pweor of the hmuan mnid.
Aoccdrnig to rscheearch dnoe at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are in, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit any porbelm.
Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Fcuknig amzanig huh?
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Finally, a reason for the typo artists of the world to feel good about ourselves, it doesn't matter as long as we get at least 2 letters in the right place!
HRRUAH!!!!!!!!!!
Ace
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Post by curious george on Sept 17, 2003 22:41:07 GMT -5
Even monkeys can do this, apparently, although I wasn't sure about the first word. Phenomenal, perhaps? (no spell-checker on the boards)  cg |
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Post by Yuliya on Sept 17, 2003 22:42:07 GMT -5
I'll read it again tomorrow. My eyes are tired, and they make it seem like some letters are in reverse order.  |
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Post by Ace on Sept 17, 2003 22:50:25 GMT -5
Even monkeys can do this, apparently, although I wasn't sure about the first word. Phenomenal, perhaps? (no spell-checker on the boards) cg Yes it's phenomenal. I read this quite easily so I guess it's true. Of course probably more true when reading a language one's fluent in, I wouldn't want to try this with Spanish or French. LOL Ace |
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Post by Ace on Sept 17, 2003 22:52:01 GMT -5
I'll read it again tomorrow. My eyes are tired, and they make it seem like some letters are in reverse order. ;D ;D ;D Ace |
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Post by Yuliya on Sept 17, 2003 22:54:46 GMT -5
No, it's really not that bad. I wouldn't want to try it with Hebrew, though, it's bad enough even with all the letters in order - because they only write half of them anyway, yet, going right to left.  |
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Post by Ace on Sept 17, 2003 22:58:51 GMT -5
Hmmmmm... makes me wonder what something like this looks like in say German or Welsh.... can you really scramble a bunch of 17 letter words and it not matter as long as the first and last letters are OK?
Ace
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Post by Yuliya on Sept 17, 2003 23:02:09 GMT -5
Interesting. But I guess it depends how many letters are scrambled; if the same amount, that makes it easier to read. If the same percentage - who knows?
Actualy, my son seems to think only the first letter matters. Maybe two - no more. That's how he usually tries to figure out what the word is when he's reading; even the length doesn't matter. If it starts with 'c' - it's a cat; if not a cat - it's a crocodile, but definitely not a crow.
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Post by Ace on Sept 17, 2003 23:07:29 GMT -5
;D ;D I guess that method works when c words like cravat, correspondent and credulous don't pop up in one's reading materials. Ace |
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Post by Yuliya on Sept 17, 2003 23:12:17 GMT -5
He reads well enough, at least is supposed to, so quite many words pop up in his reading materials, and until I make him to concentrate, reading is a disaster.
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Post by Ace on Sept 17, 2003 23:19:46 GMT -5
Oh I'm sure he reads well enough but he's still so young, his c words should be limited, and well who can argue with the word cat.  Ace |
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Post by curious george on Sept 17, 2003 23:57:04 GMT -5
Is he being taught phonics, or just whole word reading? That will make a difference in the long run.
cg
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Post by Yuliya on Sept 18, 2003 7:54:51 GMT -5
I have no idea what he's taught at school. It looks like phonic from what he brings home. What's the difference in the long run?
At home he's being taught letter reading - you read every single letter and they form words. If you've read all the letters, you can't go wrong.
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Post by curious george on Sept 18, 2003 13:44:27 GMT -5
Phonics teaches kids the sounds of letters and how they sound when put together in specific groups, which is probably what you are doing at home. When I was in maybe high school, there was a kid down the street who was being taught the "whole word" style (there's actually a phrase for it, but I don't think that's it). Anyway, because he was only being taught to recognize groups of letters, he would just keep guessing things until he got it right, which doesn't really get you anywhere, especially if you've never seen a word before. Whenever he saw a word start with "m," for example, he'd always guess it was "mother." Granted, the English language has a million exceptions to every rule of pronunciation, but phonics gives a reader the tools to figure out most words. That's where we get those fun sentences like "The cat sat on the mat." cg |
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Post by Yuliya on Sept 18, 2003 19:13:49 GMT -5
I really don't bother teaching my son how to read in English; I pay taxes and hope his school will take care of it. And unlike most Americans, I happen to know all phonics rules, or at least the majority of them. I'm not sure if that's what they're called but I know how to read all those combinations. I can't say I know all the exceptions, though, and whoever wants to start throwing rocks at me, first do explain why 'nature' and 'mature' aren't pronounced the same. |
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Post by curious george on Sept 18, 2003 19:43:56 GMT -5
I apologize if that sounded negative towards you, Yuliya, it wasn't supposed to. When you asked what the difference was, I thought you meant you didn't know, which surprised me a bit, as you are obviously an educated person. My mistake. None of that was meant as a commentary about what you are or aren't doing with your son at home. You were the one who talked about teaching him letters, and many parents do work with their kids on reading, in spite of (or because of) the standards of any particular school district. No offense intended at all.  As for exceptions, you can also add cough, tough, and plough. Shouldn't those rhyme? cg |
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Post by Yuliya on Sept 18, 2003 19:56:40 GMT -5
Oh, exceptions is a separate topic but I've always accepted them without asking any questions; I was just kidding about that particular example.
CG, you didn't sound negative; sorry if I made it look that way. I didn't know what phonic was because I have no idea how they teach little kids to read. That's one of the reasons I don't bother teaching my kids to read in English - I don't know how. My teacher started at teaching us them darned rules and I think I'm the only person who really knows them. No, my sister-in-law, a philologist, learned them at college; I remember how surprised she was that English had any.
But when I read with my son, I read in Russian, because that's not something he'll learn at school, and the rules are simpler - you read all the letters, there are some generic rules, but basically if you read all the letters, soon enough you learn how to read all the words. Now, if you skip a couple of syllables in the middle, like my kids do, then you're in trouble.
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Post by Myrtle Groggins on Sept 19, 2003 18:39:47 GMT -5
The paomnnehil pweor of the hmuan mnid.Aoccdrnig to rscheearch dnoe at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are in, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit any porbelm. Fcuknig amzanig huh? Well to get back to the original message......I had no trouble reading the above post, including the scrambled 'dirty word' in the post.  So now we can't really complain about typos, right? There was a great "I Love Lucy" episode that dealt with the many problems of the rules of the English language. Very very stuff. They were expecting the baby and Lucy told Ricky she didn't want him to speak to the baby until he was 21. She wanted the infant to learn only the King's English (or was it the Queen's English? Don't know who was on the throne at the point). It ended with Ricky trying to decifer words like through, cough, bough, etc. and he turned to his wife and said the child would only learn Spanish and SHE shouldn't speak to little Ricky until he was 21!! That song above is so true. "Reality" shows have taken over. Now I remember why I don't watch much on nighttime TV. I watch an occasional daytime soap and play video tapes of old stuff. Interesting what this world is coming to. mg - who prefers old to new |
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