Craignotbond.com

[Yuliya]

admin said:

I don't get where it's suppossed to be clever or funny -- unless LeChiffre is really Blofeld's cat.

:: Snort :: But he doesn't look like one. Not unless he'll wear Laura's hand-me-down bunny suit from Steele's Gold.

[sparklingblue]

My reaction to this script snippet pretty much matched Pierce's reactions to the zillionth Bond question at Deauville. Looks like miscasting is their lesser problem.

[Barbara]

"So you want me to be half hitman, half monk?"

I think once Judi Dench heard that, she should have walked off the set, tell the little Princess to stuff it, and then shared her thoughts with the rest of us.

You are right, miscasting is the least of the problems this film has. I can only PRAY that when Sony sees the running cut, they will either send this direct to DVD or can it altogether. If this goes into wide release and bombs, I don't know if the series can recover.

The ever positive...Xen

PS: I just noticed that some folks are looking for the Toronto Film Festival press conference mentioned above. I have no idea how to do stills and what not, so if you want to borrow the tape, just let me know.

PSS: If anyone would care to read the fanfiction I wrote years ago, which came out after DAD and can be, in certain sick minds (namely mine) thought of as Brosnan's last Bond, I'll send you a link.

[londonstreet]

Barbara, I'd really appreciate the link to your fanfiction.

[lotsofluck]

Barbara,

I'd appreciate that link also.

I do hope you people are joking about the dialogue for the new Bond film. I can't believe someone would actually pay writers for such garbage.

[Barbara]

Here's the link to my fan fiction, for all interested:

commanderbond.net/Public/Stories/2096-1.shtml

Yes, I know it is commanderbond.net, and yes I know they have gone Anti-Pierce, but all the more reason to go here, read my fanfic, and remind them who the best Bond is. :-D

Sadly, I don't think this new dialogue is a joke. I think someone, somewhere, has some serious explaining to do.

-- B

[Myrtle Groggins]

This junk isn't a joke??? Are you serious? Are they really going to let that movie go out to the masses with that dialogue? I've walked out on movies with better dialogue. Unbelievable.

Commanderbond has become anti-Pierce? Say it isn't so. I haven't visited that site in ages. My favorite part of the site was the listings of all the bloopers in each Bond movie - at least I think that was the site.

I always thought Casino Royale deserved much better treatment than it had on American TV (Barry Nelson as Bond ) or in the wildly zany Peter Sellers version, which I actually enjoyed. I loved the book and really do wish they would have given it a serious component. Daniel Craig is definitely no Cary Grant or David Niven, and from what I've read, they seem to be trying to make him into Peter Sellers, which ain't gonna work.

I'm a bit shocked that they are completely changing Bond's history and background, but then again, if Bond was supposed to be a 1950s Cold War hero, then he'd be a might bit up in age by now. I suppose they have to do something to justify using super technology and other modern-day devices.

The teaser is in English but it could have been in any language, considering they don't say much of worth and that focus seems to be on the bare bottom of some female and the many explosions. Hasn't it ever occurred to them that Bond could actually carry an interesting story without all that? No, I suppose it hasn't. But if they'd go back and read the Bond/Fleming books, they'd see that there was always lots of story included.

Agreed, they assuredly did the right thing by deleting that awful photo of DC at the end of the teaser. It certainly isn't the one he wants the world to remember him by, and I don't think it would cause ticket sales to skyrocket. What's with the hair?

As for Pierce, he's done far better acting in his other roles: Manions, Evelyn, Remington Steele, Noble House, Thomas Crown Affair, The Fourth Protocol, and I'll even given him credit for that ultra-awful Nomads, and his list goes on. Bonds gave him lots of cash, but his other roles showcased his talent. My disapproval of how he lost Bond was in the treatment he received, not in the fact that he will not be Bond again. They should have respected the actor who pulled them out of their slump and helped them put millions upon millions in their coffers. But who said show business higher-ups have respect for anyone?

[Ace]

They didn't delete that awful shot of Craig at the end of trailer. I thought they would when they pulled it from the net but obviously some one in charge actually thinks it's good.

[Barbara]

I think in the interest of fairness, I should say something about commanderbond.net:

Knowing the staffers as well as I do, I would have to say that while most of the fans there may not be very kind to Pierce, the staff, itself, is not anti-Pierce. The staff is woe to interrupt a good discussion, so if they hands off a thread where Pierce is taking a thrashing, or where Daniel Craig is getting praised, it is because they are letting the good times role, as it were.

I don't think any one website can be anti-any actor, it's just a matter of where his fans gravitate. For whatever reasons, most of Pierce's fans are here or at AJB, not CBn and that is unfortunate.

-- Barbara

PS: I would like to give a cubscout salute to MKKBB, which, when closing itself down, suggested that 007 fans go to CBn or MI6 and NOT AbsolutelyJamesBond, which is a far, far, better website than MI6.

[Ace]

CBN is anti-Pierce now, mostly because the mods let certain posters (some of whom were mods) and attitudes run rampant and many fans had enough and left. Their approach to Craig slagging (which wasn't neqr the extent the anti-Pierce stuff was and still is) has been just the opposite, they squelch almost all opposition and close topics down that are anti-Craig. So yes it's a biased site and it's due to more than just who posts there, it's down the mods.

As for MKKBB, it's great site and I hate to see it go but at least they're archiving their old articles. They recommended sites where fans could get news and those are the two sites that are more new orientated. AJB easily is the best Bond forum but it's not news slanted.

[Lauryn]

Though I rarely visit now I used to check in to that site during the Bond casting saga and aftermath. I'm no expert and I don't know the mods but it's my impression that Ace is right on the money. I'm all for freewheeling public discourse, all things being equal, but there were clearly steps taken to actively discourage criticism in discussion of Craig while anti Brosnan sentiments resided squarely in an untouchable free speech zone (as they always had). It took on a tinge of muckraking when, at one point, one of the mods floated a theory (on no supporting evidence) that Brosnan's camp was planting the negative stories that were appearing about Craig in the tabloid press. I waited for someone on staff to walk back the accusation or even to step back a moment and question whether this was responsible behavior, esp. from mods who were leading opinion due to supposed "insider" knowledge. I think there were some objections voiced but they were by regular posters. (Ace can probably correct me if I'm wrong.) Now, through the war of attrition against most holding opinions to the contrary, voicing support for Craig and for Eon's handling of the franchise has achieved the status of an orthodoxy at CBN --which is kind of funny when you think about it. So many of them treated Eon as an artistically bankrupt whipping boy during the Brosnan years.

[Barbara]

I wasn't aware that the mods didn't jump on that bit about the Brosnan camp planting stories -- they should have, because that's a level of libel that they are in no position to deal with.

-- Barbara