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Post by Barbara on Apr 29, 2006 10:21:55 GMT -5
I am sure by now we have all heard about this website of very devoted fans of the film series. While they have had AMAZING success getting their POV out to the media, at times some of their work could be characterized as antics, and really hurt the cause more than helped. All of that being said, what they done in the link I am providing is quite briefly and very directly explain why most of the promo material that Eon is putting out there directly or through friendly-to-them fans sites is inaccurate. craignotbond.com/forflemingfans.htmlYes gang, I know, I need to stop beating the dead horse. But you know what, diamonds are forever, and so is the chance for Pierce to be ultimately victorious. -- Barbara
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Post by sparklingblue on Apr 29, 2006 17:26:08 GMT -5
I'd say the way he took all this **** in stride shows that he's won already.
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Post by sparadra on Apr 30, 2006 5:31:04 GMT -5
I understand why Bond fans are angry with Craig being James Bond. So was I. I also understand that Pierce deserved another kind of treatment for being dismissed from the next Bond movie.
But I think that the craignotbond website is quite insulting for Daniel Craig. Have you seen the fan art gallery? I have a sense of humour, but the poor lad does not deserve all this. Craig is now shooting Casino Royale and there's no need to go that far with mockery and nastiness.
As far as I'm concerned, I think I won't watch Casino Royale because I'm not particularly fond of Daniel Craig and because in my opinion Pierce was a great Bond. If a large number of people do the same, maybe the production will learn from its mistakes (unless CR is a hit). I think boycotting CR is the best way to prove that the production got it wrong with Craig. Although the craignotbond website contains some relevant points, insulting pages are unfair for Craig as an actor, and I can not stop from thinking what would have happened if Pierce - or some other actor I like - had received such a ridiculous smear campaign for a role.
I really hope in the future Craig won't be known just as "the guy who shouldn't have been Bond"...
Sparadra
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Post by Ace on Apr 30, 2006 13:38:39 GMT -5
I agree with Sparklingblue and Sparadra.
I think Craig is miscast, I don't like the entire half arsed re-boot concept or the re-imagining of Bond's character and history, and I'm not exactly enamored of EON and their actions so that I'd like to pay them money -- hence I have no interest in seeing the film.
But that site hasn't exactly covered itself in glory and they made their cause much harder to support or than if it had been done in more measured and reasonable tones and sans silly insulting pictures. They have some valid points but they're buried in a heap of mean-spiritedness.
Pierce has got past all this and moved on to other challenges in his career, and he has rather graciously wished Craig well time and time again and has been disapproving of that site. Even if Craig were to leave after one film (and no way will they stop filming on this movie), I don't believe Pierce would be back or that he'd want to be back. I can't see him wanting to work for EON again and he doesn't need to.
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Post by sparklingblue on Apr 30, 2006 16:42:20 GMT -5
I don't believe Pierce would be back or that he'd want to be back. I can't see him wanting to work for EON again and he doesn't need to. Did you see how his eyes shone when he talked about "being a real actor again" on ET? It was a joy to behold.
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Post by Ace on Apr 30, 2006 17:59:21 GMT -5
I don't believe Pierce would be back or that he'd want to be back. I can't see him wanting to work for EON again and he doesn't need to. Did you see how his eyes shone when he talked about "being a real actor again" on ET? It was a joy to behold. I guess he's over being an ambassador from a small country. He just wants to play now. Really, there isn't anything in the Bond cannon that would challenge him as an actor. (numbskull remarks by Martin Campbell to the contrary) As much as I love Bond and Pierce as Bond he's too good, varied and skilled an actor to be defined and continuously hemmed in by the role. Especially when it's beyond evident they were never going to give him what he asked for with the role and the films. Nothing in CR will come near to what he was asked to do and excelled at doing in The Matador. And if he wants to do an elegant, less demanding fun film character that plays to his popular image he has Thomas Crown and he's the producer so he doesn't have to take any crap.
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Post by Barbara on May 1, 2006 14:21:46 GMT -5
I did catch some of his body language when talking about Eon, so yes, it is a given it would take a small miracle to get back as Bond at this point.
I think Daniel Craig is miscast as Bond, but in general a very fine actor. I did acknowledge as much when I said the website's antics hurt the cause.
All that being said, if you ever needed a "talking points memo" (to quote someone who should not be quoted) that link I gave you is about as good as it gets.
-- Barbara
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Post by Ace on May 2, 2006 15:02:24 GMT -5
Try large miracle, very large. My favorite and IMO most telling reaction by Pierce being asked yet another Bond question (Deauville -- Sept 2005)
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Post by Barbara on May 2, 2006 15:35:47 GMT -5
LMAO!
I gotta see this press conference, although I think the best reaction he ever had a press conference is watching Sophie Vasseur explain how being kissed by Pierce was the best moment of the filming of Evelyn.
Love...B
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Post by Stefanie on May 2, 2006 15:43:20 GMT -5
Did anyone saw it already? Well the new Bond teaser is online. It's in french. Just in case if anyone wants to see it. I for one will not watch the movie. The teaser
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Post by Ace on May 2, 2006 16:10:44 GMT -5
Sony actualy pulled the teaser poster from the originating site and declared it and the leaked French trailer "unofficial" -- although it's pretty obvious they were originally leaked by SONY to gage initial reaction. My guess is they're going to tinker with the teaser trailer and change that much criticised and rather unfortunate last image. photos1.blogger.com/blogger/8006/428/1600/PDVD_000.jpgUpdate: They "officially" released the same trailer in English just with different music. And a little humor courtesy of EW's Popwatch: May 02, 2006 The French give 007 the 'Royale' treatmentHow do you say Casino Royale in French? As Quentin Tarantino might tell you, it's ''Casino Royale with Cheese.'' That's what's served up here on YouTube in this French-language teaser for the upcoming 007 movie. It's disappointingly standard-looking -- stunts, fireballs, chicks in bathing suits emerging slowly from the surf. Ah, but there's that dubbed French dialogue between Bond (Daniel Craig, pictured) and M (Judi Dench) that adds a patina of mystery... since my French is so rusty. Their momentary exchange went something like this: BOND: I am world-weary with world-weariness. M: This situation with SPECTRE stinks like a ripe, soft Camembert. We should probably just surrender now... wait a minute, you're not Pierce Brosnan. BOND: Yeah, I'm the new guy. Get over it already. M: Well, you'd better pull off this mission or Sony will fire us all. BOND: Ah, the meaninglessness of it all. Now I will go outside and smoke many cigarettes.
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Post by Lauryn on May 3, 2006 2:11:42 GMT -5
LOL!!! Will Bond trade in his Morlands for Gauloises? Maybe Eon has given up on positioning Daniel Craig as the Steve McQueen Bond and is switching to Jean-Paul Belmondo. After all, he did show up in the '67 version of CR <wink-wink> and both of them are easier to look at in black and white, though, in fairness to DC, he's fine-boned and beautiful compared to Jean Paul, from the neck up. Belmondo did have decent comic timing, though. Who knows how Daniel will do there? He looks so glum in the trailer. Existential despair nipping at his heels, no doubt.
I have to laff listening to the trailer in French because Ace and I had a little private joke going a while back about the Borgia family and their newly awakened desire to make 007 art films. In our mind's eye, there were our producing twosome hanging out at the Cafe des Artistes with hand-held cameras and little berets, clutching copies of Cahiers du Cinema. I didn't know at the time we were dialing in to the Bond equivalent of the Psychic Hotline, LOL!
Surely I exaggerate. It's a fact that almost everything sounds more amorous, glamorous, or atmospheric in French. Sad to say, in English the bits of dialogue between Craig and Dench feel awfully labored and self aware, not much counterbalance of subtlety from Paul Haggis yet in evidence (though, to be fair it's just a few lines to go on). The Brosnan era was often plagued with this clumsiness, too, in the writing, but now that they're applying the "artistic" elements on with a trowel, it really might give you the undeniable urge to go outside, smoke unfiltered ciggies, as the man says, and stare bleakly into the void, while trying to remove the popcorn stuck between your teeth.
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Post by sparadra on May 3, 2006 2:22:21 GMT -5
Is it from the Toronto International Film Festival? I haven't seen the scene yet... Must have been very funny!
Sparadra
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Post by sexypierce on May 3, 2006 11:46:48 GMT -5
has anyone got that as a video file? id love to see his face!! ;D
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Post by Ace on May 3, 2006 12:28:44 GMT -5
LOL!!! Will Bond trade in his Morlands for Gauloises? Maybe Eon has given up on positioning Daniel Craig as the Steve McQueen Bond and is switching to Jean-Paul Belmondo. After all, he did show up in the '67 version of CR <wink-wink> and both of them are easier to look at in black and white, though, in fairness to DC, he's fine-boned and beautiful compared to Jean Paul, from the neck up. Belmondo did have decent comic timing, though. Who knows how Daniel will do there? He looks so glum in the trailer. Existential despair nipping at his heels, no doubt. I have to laff listening to the trailer in French because Ace and I had a little private joke going a while back about the Borgia family and their newly awakened desire to make 007 art films. In our mind's eye, there were our producing twosome hanging out at the Cafe des Artistes with hand-held cameras and little berets, clutching copies of Cahiers du Cinema. I didn't know at the time we were dialing in to the Bond equivalent of the Psychic Hotline, LOL! Surely I exaggerate. It's a fact that almost everything sounds more amorous, glamorous, or atmospheric in French. Sad to say, in English the bits of dialogue between Craig and Dench feel awfully labored and self aware, not much counterbalance of subtlety from Paul Haggis yet in evidence (though, to be fair it's just a few lines to go on). The Brosnan era was often plagued with this clumsiness, too, in the writing, but now that they're applying the "artistic" elements on with a trowel, it really might give you the undeniable urge to go outside, smoke unfiltered ciggies, as the man says, and stare bleakly into the void, while trying to remove the popcorn stuck between your teeth. No cigarettes for this Bond, it's Martin Campbell's Bond -- where killing, torture and sex is fine for the kiddies but ciggies are bad for their psyches. The closest Bond will get to nicotine, world weary or not is a nicotine patch. Well the dialogue is stiff and a tad clumsy and you'd think Haggis could do better (though subtle is not his calling card-- Crash anyone?). According to some sources Haggis went over the dialogue for the entire script, in other's just the Bond/Vesper stuff. Non subtle or not I have a hard time beleiving the former when as of late Dec (post Haggis ) this Bond/Le Chiffre carpet beater exchange still remained: ============== Bond: Now you can tell all your friends that you died scratching my balls. LeChiffre: I"m going to cut this short...and feed you what you seem not to value." ======= [during beating -- a beating in which most couldn't talk let alone quip and one in which Bond from the book sceams until he passes out] Bond:"I knew you'd be a sore loser" [He strikes. Bond bites his lip rather than scream. ] Bond:"Hmmm, I have a little itch there. Would you mind" [strikes harder] Bond: That was good, but a little to the left. [he hits again] Bond: Yes, thank you. Perfect. ============================== It's bad Austin Powers! Ace
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Post by Lauryn on May 4, 2006 9:51:29 GMT -5
Well, I guess it beats nicotine gum. One can only imagine the relish with which the journos from The Mirror would catalogue all the things that Craig's Bond can't do and chew gum at the same time, LOL!
True, not lately. Which Paul Haggis will come to the party -- the one who was capable of writing pinpoint lines in character for the small screen in "Due South" or his evil twin from "Crash"? If the latter, we might be in for it, especially paired with the aggrandizing motions of Martin Campbell. <sigh> If only the set doctor would prescribe the proper meds…
Talk about a vicarious torture experience! Sweet mother of God! What's next? "The ball's in your court"? You sure this isn't the parody version from "The Onion"?
And it can only get worse.
Bond: [eyes torture chair] Nice one. I do hope some spanking is involved.
Le Chiffre: [looks down at Bond] You seem to have some unusual scarring, Mr. Bond. And I haven't even begun yet. Might that have something to do with THIS?
[camera pans to reveal a somewhat worse for wear Swedish penis enlarger]
Henchman: It was found in his hotel room.
Bond: Err, actually, that belongs to 006. Bit of a balls up, er, I mean mix-up. Apparently he got my attaché case and I got his – he got my equipment and I got his -- oooh, that sounds naughty!
Le Chiffre: No matter. Soon you won’t be using it any longer.
Bond: [protests] But I paid extra for the extended warranty -- well, to tell you the truth, 006 and I went halfsies. [thinks a minute] Hmm. Maybe that was the problem.
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Post by Yuliya on May 4, 2006 10:17:59 GMT -5
He-he-he. Bwa-ha-ha! ;D ;D ;D Lauryn, isn't it a pity they didn't commission you to write the script. (Haven't I heard it before?)
I don't hang on Bond boards, so yesterday I for the first time read the pieces of scrip Ace posted. I thought they were a joke...
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Post by Lauryn on May 4, 2006 10:36:26 GMT -5
He-he-he. Bwa-ha-ha! ;D ;D ;D Lauryn, isn't it a pity they didn't commission you to write the script. (Haven't I heard it before?) I'm worse than Michael Gleason. Can't resist a rewrite. That goes for all of us. I mean, they're not serious. Are they?
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Post by Yuliya on May 4, 2006 10:55:22 GMT -5
Well, they seriously think it's funny.
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Post by Ace on May 4, 2006 12:21:52 GMT -5
And it can only get worse. Bond: [eyes torture chair] Nice one. I do hope some spanking is involved. Le Chiffre: [looks down at Bond] You seem to have some unusual scarring, Mr. Bond. And I haven't even begun yet. Might that have something to do with THIS? [camera pans to reveal a somewhat worse for wear Swedish penis enlarger] Henchman: It was found in his hotel room. Bond: Err, actually, that belongs to 006. Bit of a balls up, er, I mean mix-up. Apparently he got my attaché case and I got his – he got my equipment and I got his -- oooh, that sounds naughty! Le Chiffre: No matter. Soon you won’t be using it any longer. Bond: [protests] But I paid extra for the extended warranty -- well, to tell you the truth, 006 and I went halfsies. [thinks a minute] Hmm. Maybe that was the problem. And yes it's part of the script as of Dec 2006. I couldn't make up dialogue like "Now you can tell all your friends that you died scratching my balls." It may be the single worse piece of dialogue ever, not just in Bond films but in the history of cinema. I don't even understand it. I don't get where it's suppossed to be clever or funny -- unless LeChiffre is really Blofeld's cat. Ace
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