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Post by curious george on Dec 19, 2003 15:56:17 GMT -5
What happened? It's all back!! No more white boxes with red x's! I can see all of the folders, all of the words... ::rubs eyes with fists:: Yep, still all there. Ace...?? cg
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Post by Yuliya on Dec 19, 2003 16:01:51 GMT -5
Ace has nothing to do with it. Chanukah is the time for miracles. Congratulations, CG!
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Post by sparklingblue on Dec 19, 2003 17:45:40 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Oh, that's great, CG!! [/glow]
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Post by Ace on Dec 19, 2003 17:54:12 GMT -5
The time for miracles indeed. It's true, I did nothing. Evidently providence was finally smiling down on you. Ace
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Post by curious george on Dec 20, 2003 15:57:54 GMT -5
Ace has nothing to do with it. Chanukah is the time for miracles. Congratulations, CG! And this is only the first complete day of it, right? Just think what might happen in the next seven! If I had any idea how to swipe a picture of a Menorah from somewhere and put it here, I would. I know the story of the Maccabees, but if anyone would like to explain to us Gentiles how a dreidel is used, I'd love to learn. cg
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Post by sparklingblue on Dec 20, 2003 17:11:14 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]Here you go. Happy Chanukah! [/glow]
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Post by cg on Dec 20, 2003 18:56:25 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]Here you go. Happy Chanukah! [/glow] Nooooooooooooooo! What I assume is supposed to be a Menorah is....a white box with a red x!!!! But everything else is still okay. cg (sorry, thought I was logged in)
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Post by Yuliya on Dec 20, 2003 20:34:44 GMT -5
Don't worry, CG, it's not you; I can't see it, either. The site where the picture is hosted doesn't allow linking to pictures. Here it is - www.farmertan.com/images/xmas/Menorah.jpg - you'll have to copy and paste the link. And it's Chanukiya, not Menorah; those two are always confused. (Ace is probably roling her eyes now because I've just explained it in another board.) Thank you, SparklingBlue, it's a pretty picture. And this is only the first complete day of it, right? Just think what might happen in the next seven! If I had any idea how to swipe a picture of a Menorah from somewhere and put it here, I would. I know the story of the Maccabees, but if anyone would like to explain to us Gentiles how a dreidel is used, I'd love to learn. Right, Saturday is the first full day of Chanukah - or rather, Saturday was because days begin at sundown. The dreidel game is described on this page - www.holidays.net/chanukah/dreidel.html. It's not a complicated game, I'm not going to type it here for one reason - that page also has pictures of the letters on the dreidel. I've never played dreidel. I don't even know if it's a purely American tradition or not; I never heard of anyone playing dreidel in Israel but maybe they do - it's not as big a holiday over there as it's in the States. The web page mentions that an Israeli dreidel has one different letter; it shouldn't affect the game, though. And since we're at it - take a look at this picture - www.geocities.com/yuliyashulman/Chanukah.jpg. You'll have to copy and paste this URL, too.
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Post by curious george on Dec 20, 2003 23:42:24 GMT -5
Crap. I had a whole long separated-by-quotes reply written out, and while I was previewing it to make sure it made sense, IE decided to give out on me. Okay, let's see...the first url worked as a link but said I didn't have permission to be there. Sorry about mistaking the name of the candelabra; I'm not totally uneducated but I've never heard the term you used -- so I can see why you must have to explain it a lot! Um, what else? Ah, yes, I do know that Jewish holy days begin at sundown. I've also been given to understand that Chanukah isn't really a major holy day, but that is has gotten caught up in the crass commercialism that surrounds Christmas. (Too bad for all of us to whom the days mean more than that.) I'll have to see if the second link works, or if either of them works as a copy and paste. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction; now let's see if I can get there! cg Okay, when I copied and pasted the first one, I could see it -- it is pretty! The third one I couldn't get to either way. But now I'm going to go read about the Dreidel.
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Post by Yuliya on Dec 21, 2003 12:09:43 GMT -5
Sorry. Geocities can be tricky; sometimes it only works if you do it in a new window, but why bother? Here you go – www.geocities.com/yuliyashulman/Chanukah.html (For those who isn’t familiar with the holiday – it celebrates the miracle of the remaining one-day oil supply burning in The Menorah (the right kind) for 8 days while more oil was being made.) Sorry about mistaking the name of the candelabra; I'm not totally uneducated but I've never heard the term you used -- so I can see why you must have to explain it a lot! No problem. Most dictionaries do that, too - including Webster, I think – and in this particular case it’s they who’s wrong, I did ask a rabbi about it once. The right name is Chanukiya; in English it's sometimes called Chanukah Menorah, which is probably easier to remember (although I'm not sure it's easier to say.) It was really weird to hear it called Menorah after living in Israel, though. Menorah means a lamp; pretty much any lamp including a light bulb. The Menorah, however, is the seven-candle candelabrum that was supposed to burn all the time at the Jewish Temple (while the Jews had the Temple) and that’s never lit anywhere else although you can see the thing itself in many places – from the gates of Israeli parliament to a local jewelry store, made into a pendant. But it’s never lit. Psst…! Ace…! I’m not monopolizing the board, I’m merely trying to keep it alive while you’re otherwise engaged… It's an Else forum, you know...
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Post by curious george on Dec 21, 2003 12:52:59 GMT -5
LOL! Interesting, because while wandering around the net yesterday, CNN also referred to the Menorah as used in Chanukah celebrations. Not saying they're right, just that the mistake is obviously widespread. So as long as we're using this teachable moment, can you attempt to give us a phonetic pronunciation of it? I appreciate the explanation! Exactly! It's not only "else," it's very interesting. If someone wants to complain, let them read other things. cg
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Post by Yuliya on Dec 21, 2003 14:56:07 GMT -5
Interesting, because while wandering around the net yesterday, CNN also referred to the Menorah as used in Chanukah celebrations. Not saying they're right, just that the mistake is obviously widespread. It's not right where Judaism is concerned; it’s almost right in the sense that everybody is doing it – apparently, CNN isn’t any different. Not that it surprises me considering their usually superficial, lopsided coverage of International news. Those two are easy to confuse anyway - they look the same, only Menorah has 7 candles, Chanukiya - 9. Who's counting? So as long as we're using this teachable moment, can you attempt to give us a phonetic pronunciation of it? I appreciate the explanation! Er... I tried to make a sound file but didn't like the sound of my voice. I'm used to make sound files of PB's voice, you see. Chanukiya is pronounced the same way as Chanukah, except for the ending - ha-nu-ka and ha-nu-kee-ya. ('y' is like 'y' in "yellow".) Accent is on the last 'a'. I hope that's not too confusing.
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Post by sparklingblue on Dec 21, 2003 16:42:21 GMT -5
First of all let me apologize for the broken link. I didn't notice because, when I previewed, the picture showed up. I guess that happened because it was in my cache. I really appreciate all the facts about Judaism on this page. I know fairly little about it myself. Thanks also for the pronounciation help.
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Post by curious george on Dec 21, 2003 18:06:56 GMT -5
Those two are easy to confuse anyway - they look the same, only Menorah has 7 candles, Chanukiya - 9. Who's counting? I will be now - and trying to get them correct! Most people don't like the sound of their own voice. And you couldn't find PB saying the word? Not confusing to me, just not sure if I'm pronouncing it right still, but at least it will sound more like the right word than Menorah. cg
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Post by Ace on Dec 21, 2003 20:41:09 GMT -5
:: crawls out of bed ::
:: drags self to keyboard ::
Yuliya, hijack away.... and I'll have you know I used that Chanukiya tidbit to impress and awe in conversation last week, so thanks!
:: checks 2,857 spam messages clogging up e-mail and decides to deal with it later ::
:: coughs and wheezes all over keyboard ::
:: drags self back to bed ::
Ace
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Post by curious george on Dec 21, 2003 23:37:58 GMT -5
:: hands Ace Clorox wipe for keyboard ::
:: goes and washes own hands ::
Get better!
cg
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Post by Yuliya on Dec 22, 2003 14:38:34 GMT -5
Most people don't like the sound of their own voice. And you couldn't find PB saying the word? Alas! He's too involved in Irish movies, if you ask me; he should diversify his portfolio like Ben Kingsley - he made a great Itzhak Stern in Schindler's List, absoluetly great; if he can do it, PB can do it. And it's not just the sound of my voice. One word, out of context, sounded just weird; I tried several times and it always seemed I didn't say it right. I haven't spoken Hebrew in years, short of my occasional trips to Israel, so every time it's hard to start and my pronunciation is seriously off. Oh! Actually, I did speak Hebrew just this fall - I was on the beach in Cannes and the French guy who (I think) wanted to meet me spoke Hebrew better than English (his parents were Jews from Tunis - a very common thing in France). While we were talking, one of gentlemen who were playing cards nearby approached us and started speaking Hebrew as well - he'd lived in Sodom for 3 years. (Yes, it's the same Sodom, the one that's near Gomorra, only the modern one is, I think, a couple of miles away from the ancient one and it's a very small town. I've never seen anyone who lived there.) Anyway, apparently, Hebrew is very handy when nobody around you speaks English. But that one case doesn't count; I still wasn't happy with the way I pronounced Chanukah. If somebody wants to hear it, I can send it private, but I don't want to post it in a public forum. Yuliya, hijack away.... and I'll have you know I used that Chanukiya tidbit to impress and awe in conversation last week, so thanks! I'm glad it was useful. Impress away; I have more information if anyone has any questions. And not just on Judaism; during my 5 years in Israel I visited most places notable for Christians, too, so even though I may not know how to properly celebrate Christmas or Easter, I can just say that I went on location instead.
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Post by sparklingblue on Dec 22, 2003 16:59:51 GMT -5
Hope you'll get better soon, Ace. PS: You could use the fact that you have to stay in bed as a good excuse for a PB movie marathon.
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