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Post by sparklingblue on Apr 8, 2005 15:49:26 GMT -5
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Post by Ace on Apr 8, 2005 16:26:30 GMT -5
Get out your tapes! Though the idea of watching the very Irish Manions in German makes me chuckle. Interesting about the TV thread. I tink Yuliya had the same problem amonth ago and I didn't. Maybe I just have to open Part Duex. Ace
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Post by sparklingblue on Apr 8, 2005 16:44:34 GMT -5
I've had the pleasure of watching it in the original, but the tape is not mine, so I'm thankful that the TV station airs it. But still I think it's going to be a little weird without PB speaking with that lovely Irish accent. Another note to all German folks: You can subscribe to an email alert for the show; just click on the link in my first post. It's free and they don't send you any junk mail.
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Post by Yuliya on Apr 9, 2005 16:13:34 GMT -5
I wonder if Rory's German will have any kind of regional accent at all. Ace, I had that problem with PB's TV Schedule thread; still do - I've just checked. We've overspent our quota on the old one. That's a good thing, eh?
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Post by sparklingblue on Apr 9, 2005 16:53:48 GMT -5
Of course I shall duly inform you about all the noteworthy things about the "German" Rory O'Manion. I have a feeling that he'll just speak a standard, accent-free German because any regional accents (which in German are more like dialects to begin with) might become unvoluntarily comical.
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Post by Ace on Apr 9, 2005 20:26:52 GMT -5
Well an Irish accent isn't regional so I don't see why it would it be translated as such, any more than an American or British one would be.
Now if it was a film where several characters came from Ireland but some accents varied as to region, or urban vs rural then that would make sense. But unless it mattered to the story/characterization it's probably far more trouble than it's worth.
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Post by Yuliya on Apr 9, 2005 21:10:45 GMT -5
In some stories it matters more than in others, and sometimes it's very confusing if the viewers are deprieved of that kind of difference. On the other hand, one can't imitate, say, Irish accent in German (or in any other language) even because if may sound weird to those viewers who are unfamiliar with it and even weirder to those who are. And giving some characters accent regional for the language to which the movie is translated takes the story into a different time/place. It's been discussed a lot in various places, so I just got curious. I should stop. I have little doubt that the accent in German version will just be omitted.
Why isn't Irish accent regional?
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Post by Ace on Apr 9, 2005 22:03:09 GMT -5
I do think that where accents are different it can make sense to differntiate. I'm just saying Irish isn't a region, it's a nation. To be consitent they'd have to use varying German regional accents for the English and American accents and it would get to be a muddle. Of course you have the usual thing in American films where almost anyone foreign or from any different era just has an English accent. Or like in the recent Alexander where all the Greeks had Irish accents like their leader and all the non-Greeks had non Irish accents. Now is that any less valid than everyone having a Brit accent, no it just comes off silly because we're not used to it. And that's probably the biggest hurdle, trying to get your audience not to laugh at accents when they're not suppossed to be. Ace
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Post by Viktoria on Apr 10, 2005 2:35:57 GMT -5
I wonder if Rory's German will have any kind of regional accent at all. Ace, I had that problem with PB's TV Schedule thread; still do - I've just checked. We've overspent our quota on the old one. That's a good thing, eh? Great news! ;D Rory did not have any kind of accent - it is the normal dubbed voice. I watched it years ago when it was aired on another channel ( sparklingblue: damals TM3). But it is great...my tape has to be renewed
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Post by Yuliya on Apr 10, 2005 11:43:01 GMT -5
I do think that where accents are different it can make sense to differntiate. I'm just saying Irish isn't a region, it's a nation. To be consitent they'd have to use varying German regional accents for the English and American accents and it would get to be a muddle. Irish are a nation; they speak Gaelic, at least some of them still do. Ireland is a region, just like every other place. Not to go into nitpicking, though, Irish accent is regional in the sense that it places the speaker in a certain region. It may not have the right connotation to place the speaker in a certain region of Germany, Austria, or Switzerland. And it certainly won't tell you anything about the character except that he or she is somewhat different from others else. Which is just another reason not to do it.
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Post by Ace on Apr 10, 2005 12:25:43 GMT -5
Irish are a nation; they speak Gaelic, at least some of them still do. Ireland is a region, just like every other place. Not to go into nitpicking, though, Irish accent is regional in the sense that it places the speaker in a certain region. Yes, Ireland is a region in that sense the way Europe or any large piece of land or territory is a region. One may say someone has an Eastern European accent or a Northern European accent but that's not pinpointing it to one country. As soon as you do it's a national accent. Irish is a national accent, not regional, though within it are of course reginal ones from Kerry to Dublin. And as a nation they speak English, I doubt more than a small fraction still speak Gaelic just as in Wales the once native language has been crushed and then just left behindin everday usage In the case of Manions there are representatives from three different nations speaking English but foremost they're all national not regional accents. Although you might be able to make all the Irish speak with Austrian accents, all American with Swiss German accents and the English with German accents and that might actually work to differentiate the different nations of the same language speakers nations. But really that's much more work than it's worth. Ace
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Post by Viktoria on Jul 17, 2005 13:48:26 GMT -5
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Post by Ace on Jul 17, 2005 14:51:36 GMT -5
Ahhhh.. that's the first time I ever noticed that in Manions of America he wears that necklace -- made from the back of his grandmother's watch -- that we see him wear in Remington Steele!
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Post by Viktoria on Jul 17, 2005 15:46:45 GMT -5
it's from his grandmothers watch? Do you know something more about this necklace? He had it a long time...
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Post by Ace on Jul 17, 2005 16:45:29 GMT -5
From Remington Zeal Below are direct quotes from the PB Chronicles, 3-15-84, Vol. #1 (The was the official PB fan club newsletter.) Thank you, steeleinc * Question: "What is the medallion that you wear around your neck?" PB's Answer: "The medallion is mine and it belonged to my grandmother. It was the back of her watch and has the initials 'KOR', which stand for Kathleen O'Reilly and has the date 1923. The watch was given to her by my grandfather. She didn't like it and she had it made into a bracelet. It was given to me and it's the only thing that I have of hers."
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Post by Yvo on Oct 31, 2005 17:02:16 GMT -5
Ahhhh.. that's the first time I ever noticed that in Manions of America he wears that necklace -- made from the back of his grandmother's watch -- that we see him wear in Remington Steele! But in another pic of "The Manions" he doesn't wear that necklace. Take a look:
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Post by steeleinc on Oct 31, 2005 22:26:30 GMT -5
I've noticed Rory's medallion each time I've watched "Manions" and I'm pretty sure it's not the medallion from Pierce's grandmother's watch. A major plotpoint in "Manions" involved the holy medal Rory was given by his dying mother for newborn Sean. He lost it at one point and Rachel found it in the stable and then returned it to him during the neighbor's wedding celebration. That's why he's wearing it in sections of Part 1 but not in the entire episode.
Debra
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Post by sparklingblue on Nov 1, 2005 11:23:43 GMT -5
I agree with Debra. The medallion he wore in Manions was the "holy medal", and not the one he usually wears.
There's another thing about his medallion that I noticed watching my RS DVDs: the fine gold chain he wears it on has several smaller coloured trinkets on it. I wonder what they are. Did anyone else notice them?
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Post by Yvo on Nov 1, 2005 11:47:06 GMT -5
I noticed that too. And I wonder what they are what they mean...
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Post by steeleinc on Nov 1, 2005 12:00:09 GMT -5
Never noticed any other 'trinkets' dangling on RS' medalion. I think it's just the chain.
Debra
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