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Post by Ace on Jun 5, 2007 13:50:28 GMT -5
On an somewhat up note there are mountains visible on the horizon so there is a way out if the flesh is at all still willing and it might even take more than unwilling flesh or spirit to kill Gideon.
Ace
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Post by susan on Jun 5, 2007 14:34:07 GMT -5
Still looking for a "happy end"? I doubt that either of them would make it to those mountains. And I doubt even more that there is a life on this earth for Gideon. He survived because of instincts, knowing that the war has taken everything pleasant and given everything hurtful. Guilt and pain beyond anything. Same with Carver. When Gideon asked Carver to forgive him and was not killed it seemed that the guilt that tied him to this world was released and he was free to go. What his heart always wanted but his guilty soul did not allow him....
What a movie.... I'm still feeling kind of sore.
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Post by Ace on Jun 5, 2007 16:07:31 GMT -5
Not necessarily a happy ending just a living one. Gideon is a survivor above all things. He's evidently wanted to die for years but he keeps on going when it would be much easier to die. Even with Carver's forgiveness I doubt he's ready to die and meet his maker. To have carver kill him would be one thing, some kind of atonement but to just give up and die because he couldn't go on, not likely IMO.
The director said he thought about killing them both on screen, Gideon killing Carver and Carver shooting Gideon's water bottle before he died so we'd know Gideon died of thirst and dehydration. He chose not to do that because he didn't want that kind of end for the characters and wanted it more open ended.
Still an emotionally draining film even before the end scene. As one reviewer said Pierce not only makes you feel his pain but his AGONY.
Ace
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Post by susan on Jun 5, 2007 16:45:04 GMT -5
You are right, Gideon survived on a lot of occasions where only a strong will to life could help him. But on the other hand he seemed so caught in his loneliness that it appears it is only guilt that prevents him from meeting his maker. And if not so- to reach those mountains by foot would be more than hard for a well-equipped traveller. But exhausted and injured and basically without water- sure we can leave it to our imagination, but unless some lady selling any kind of stuff to survive shows up I think it looks rather bad for our hero.
Exactly.
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Post by Ace on Jun 5, 2007 16:50:25 GMT -5
Actually there are places and ways to find water in the desert -- not a lot but enough to survive (it takes far longer to fry than to freeze). Keeping the knife would have helped though.
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Post by sparklingblue on Jun 6, 2007 6:38:06 GMT -5
Ace, I like how you explain the possibility for a happy ending. Just like Susan, I felt sore at the end of the film, and wrote down my impressions just as they came after watching the movie. In support of my theory, there is this quote from the film that "a man without a horse is generally a dead man". But the "generally" of course argues in favour of Ace's view. Gideon made it pretty far without a horse, so why couldn't he go on? I think it's a great idea by the director to leave the ending open for us to interpret and discuss different versions.
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Post by susan on Jun 6, 2007 14:34:04 GMT -5
Right. This movie really needs to be discussed, I think. Thank you for your opinions.
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Post by Ace on Jun 22, 2007 11:51:24 GMT -5
Has anyone listened to to the commentary on the DVD yet? If so I'd love to discuss it. There were so many interesting anecdotes. Not just the discussing of the deleted scenes, outtakes and bloopers that never made their way to the DVD (shame on you Sony!!!) but some very fascinating inside bits on choices, improvs and additions made by the actors. Some were just so inspired. I just so wish Liam had joined the commentary.
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Post by Lauryn on Jun 22, 2007 14:59:33 GMT -5
Has anyone listened to to the commentary on the DVD yet? If so I'd love to discuss it. There were so many interesting anecdotes. Not just the discussing of the deleted scenes, outtakes and bloopers that never made their way to the DVD (shame on you Sony!!!) but some very fascinating inside bits on choices, improvs and additions made by the actors. Some were just so inspired. I just so wish Liam had joined the commentary. I'm afraid I haven't listened to the commentaries yet. I have watched the movie, but I was spending half of it playing with the new bulldog puppy galloping back and forth across the bed. Thinking warm fuzzy puppy thoughts was probably the wrong frame of mind for "Seraphim Falls," not to say that it didn't make a powerful impression just the same, but before I post any thoughts I need to watch it again without distractions.
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Post by sparklingblue on Jun 22, 2007 15:55:18 GMT -5
It's been a while since I watched movie and commentary. But do share your thoughts, Ace. I'll put it on my list to re-watch-
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Post by Ace on Jun 22, 2007 17:39:49 GMT -5
OK some tidbits off the top of my head that hadn't been in previous interviews etc: Pierce pretty much choreographing/doing all that removing bullet acting on his own -- including the idea to roll up that piece of leather and stick it in his mouth. That the knife was hearted with a couple of blowtorches so it looked hot, how Bron warned him to be careful and he actually pressed it into his arm where there was metal patch on his arm but the knife slipped and he almost sliced into his arm with it. Pierce told Bron the night before shooting he'd decided he wanted that scar across his eye and what a great job Bron did with it considering the lack of time to prepare. Michael Wincott's addition of of how to spell woman or was it girl -- hard to remember since that's not how Hayes spelled it. The deleted scene of Gideon looking in the tent and seeing the dwarf and the hooker - cut because people were laughing too hard for too long. The Gideon/Pierce fight (which seemed to be scripted as merely fight and the actors just let loose) where Liam had sliced his hand open on the gun, had it stitched and was beating Gideon's "wound" with it until Pierce as Gideon grabbed his bandanna and actually choked Liam with it until he rolled over and almost passed out in the thin air (and poor Liam's stitches had come undone). Pierce referring to his standing over Liam as his Cassius Clay over Sonny Liston pose! Pierce between scenes seeing a how to kick a guy in the nuts demonstration outside the tent where he had to go back and kick a guy in the nuts. A guy who told him kick as hard as you can -- he could take it (with some padding). Pierce saying he specifically copied Frederick Remington's horse and man pose from "The Indian" during one of the shots of Gideon on the horse looking over a valley. Pierce mentioning how thrilled they were when Anjelica showed up because they were all sick of their male company (I think Angie Harmon's scenes were all at the start) and how she set up a bar outside her motel room and had brought food from New York and they basically tailgated there every night. How the psalm they used was an idea from Pierce that came from a book he was reading that day. Pierce remembering Gideon still had his knife, deciding in the last take to take it out -- pause so you'd wonder if he'd kill Carver with it and tossed it into the ground. Liam whispering to Pierce at the end that they should waltz and they did. I want to see Liam and Pierce waltzing damn it!
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Post by Ace on Jun 26, 2007 13:46:12 GMT -5
Seraphim Falls chosen to close the The 19th Galway Film Fleadh The 19th Galway Film Fleadh will take place from July 10-15 and will offer film lovers a weeklong programme of events which include world premieres, classic screenings, Irish and international documentaries, features and shorts. Leading the way in the international features programme and opening the Galway Film Fleadh is Red Like the Sky, a beautiful film set in Tuscany in Italy in 1971 which tells the moving true story of a blind child who fights against everything and everyone to achieve his dreams. The film is inspired by the true story of Mirco Mencacci, one of the most gifted Italian sound editors of all time. Seraphim Falls, a taut psychological thriller, starring Pierce Brosnan and Liam Neeson which is set in the breathtaking landscape of the Wild West will close the Festival.Set in the heart of the Yorkshire Dales, And When Did You Last See Your Father is a funny and sad exploration of the emotional ties that bind father and son, a film that boasts brilliant performances from Colin Firth and Jim Broadbent. House of Sand tells the story of a woman who along with her mother is taken in 1910 to a far away desert by her husband. When he dies, they are forced to spend the next 59 years of their lives hopelessly trying to escape from their arid surroundings. Exit is a non stop thriller where an innocent man is framed for a crime he didn’t commit and has to find the killer before he is captured. Angelina Jolie’s performance in the powerful A Mighty Heart is a career best. She plays real-life journalist Marianne Pearl, whose husband was kidnapped by terrorists while they were in Pakistan. The film follows the human fallout that dominated the press headlines in 2002. Away from Her is a beautiful moving love story which deals with the difficulties and trauma facing couples when a long term partner begins to suffer gradual memory loss. Others to note include: How is Your Fish Today, A Thousand Kisses, Interview, The Paper Will be Blue, Black Sheep, Ghosts, My Son and The Singer. The Galway Film Fleadh has long been a passionate supporter of films made in Ireland and in 2007 will showcase an eclectic range of Irish cinematic treats. Special mention must be given to Garage which comes straight to Galway following its premiere in the 2007 Cannes Film Festival. The film is a tragic comedy which stars Pat Shortt and is set in the world of petrol stations where the owner of the garage searches for intimacy during the course of a life changing summer. Puffball, a tense supernatural thriller from legendary filmmaker Nic Roeg, is the story of the powerful forces unleashed through one chance event and seen through the eyes of four generations of women. Staring Colm Meaney, Kings, directed by Tommy Collins is a touching film which tells the story of a group of Irish speaking men from Connemara who emigrated from Ireland to London in the late seventies but who never made it home. One not to miss is Tonight is Cancelled, directed by Brendan Grant which is set in Post War Kosovo where a young woman struggles to get life to live up to her expectations. Bitterness is a debut film of new Irish talent, Brian Launders which tells the humorous story of Francis whose life is consumed with bitterness since he was jilted at the altar. A must for all parents of teenagers is Marian Quinn’s debut feature film 32A which tells the story of the confusing “in between” time of a girls life when she is no longer a child but she is not yet a woman. An innovative section in this year’s festival is “Wild Cards” where a selection of new films from emerging filmmakers who have sought to make films outside of traditional funding sources in Ireland will be screened. An event not to be missed is the 30th anniversary screening of Bob Quinn’s seminal drama Poitin, featuring a digitally restored print and a new score by Bill Whelan. This year’s selection of documentaries is amongst the strongest the Fleadh has ever hosted. Narrated by Nicole Kidman, God Grew Tired of Us explores the indomitable spirit of three “Lost Boys” from Sudan who leave their homeland, triumph over insurmountable adversities and move to America. The War Tapes, is a film with a difference as it is the first war movie to be filmed by soldiers on the front line in Iraq. Disillusioned with America’s occupation in Iraq, the soldiers bypass the Pentagon supervised media to candidly share their experience of life in Iraq. The Clash’s Joe Strummer’s life, music and politics are the subject of Julian Temple’s documentary, The Future is Unwritten. Lovers of jazz should definitely watch Music Inn, one of the best made documentaries on this classical American art form. Manufacturing Dissent is a documentary that seeks to separate fact, fiction and legend. It is an exploration of filmmaker Michael Moore’s “truthfulness” in his films and a statement on the freedom of speech. Blending beauty and humour with tragedy and loss, The Cats of Mirikani is an intimate exploration of the lingering wounds of war. The film is a heart warming affirmation of humanity and will appeal to lovers of peace, art and cats. John and Jane follows the stories of six call agents that answer American 1-800 numbers in a Mumbai Call centre. The film raises disturbing questions about the nature of personal identity and what it means to be Indian in a 21st century globalised world. I’m A Sex Addict is a comic reconstruction of autobiographical filmmaker Caveh Zahedi ten year struggle with sex addiction and is one of his most ambitious, hilarious confessions yet. Others to note include My Kid Could Paint That, Artic Tale, Leaving Transylvania and Kabul Transit. Fionnula Flanagan is the subject of this year’s Irish tribute and will be “In Conversation” with Lelia Doolan on Saturday 14 July. The Fleadh will honour the accomplishments of the actor Jeremy Irons whose performances in films such as Lolita, Swann in Love and Dead Ringers have been immense. Jeremy Irons will take part in a public interview on Sunday 15 July. Terry George, one of one Ireland’s most successful screenwriters and whose works include Hotel Rwanda and In the Name of the Father will be the subject of the 2007 Screenwriters Tribute while Volker Schloendorff (Strike, The Tin Drum, Swann in Love) is the focus of the Fleadh’s Director Tribute. Building on the success of last year, Out on Film will screen a selection of gay, lesbian and transgender films which will raise issues of contemporary relevance such as gay and lesbian parenthood and gay marriage as well as re-addressing classical themes such as coming-of- age/coming out, gender identity. This year’s focus country is Poland and the festival will screen classic and contemporary films directed by renowned Polish directors such as Kieslowski, Polanski, Wadja and Fabicki. The Galway Film Fleadh has a long tradition of hosting thought provoking debates and this year in association with MOJO (Miscarriages of Justice Organisation) will host a debate entitled Is there Life after Life? The debate which will take place on Wednesday July 11 in the Town Hall Main will discuss the problems faced by the unjustly convicted upon release after serving life sentences and will include world renowned Paddy Hill (Birmingham Six), Gerry Conlon (Guildford Four) and Sunny Jacobs, all who were wrongfully convicted of crimes they didn’t commit. The shorts programme will showcase an exciting mix of short films, documentaries and animation and this year over seventy Irish shorts will screen in competition during the Festival. These shorts will be competing for the prestigious awards of Best Irish Short, Best First Irish Short, Best Short Documentary and Best Short Animation. Filmmakers will also compete for the prestigious Stella Artois Pitching Award. Tickets for all events can be bought from the Galway Film Fleadh Box Office (Tel 091 569777) which is located in the Galway Town Hall. The Full Festival Programme is available on www.galwayfilmfleadh.com
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Post by Ace on Jul 3, 2007 21:06:37 GMT -5
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Post by Ace on Jul 4, 2007 12:10:47 GMT -5
Found at a sale/deal site:
Fry's Ads: July 4th 1-Day Sale on recent Sony DVDs for $8.99
Here's the entertainment software listings from the Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW), Houston (HOU), Chicago (IL), Las Vegas (LV), Los Angeles/Orange County (LA), Sacramento (SAC) and San Jose/Silicon Valley (SJ) Fry's Ad(s). These prices are valid only for the dates listed in the subject line.
Fry's Ads: July 4th 1-Day Sale Here's the entertainment software listings from the Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW), Houston (HOU), Chicago (IL), Las Vegas (LV), Los Angeles/Orange County (LA), Sacramento (SAC) and San Jose/Silicon Valley (SJ) Fry's Ad(s). These prices are valid only for the dates listed in the subject line. The items listed below are as they appear in the Fry's B&M Ads. If an item is listed as "SJ only", for example, it could still be on sale at other locations (i.e. - Austin, San Diego, AZ, GA, IN, OR, WA), but it only appeared in the SJ ad. However, since these ads are not available online, I cannot confirm them.
Ad updates: DFW, HOU, IL, LA, LV, SAC: Fri-Mon, Weds SJ: Everyday
DVDs
$8.99 Casino Royale (2006): Widescreen Catch & Release Night at the Museum: Widescreen The Pursuit of Happyness: Widescreen Rocky Balboa Seraphim Falls Stomp the Yard: Widescreen
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Post by Ace on Jul 4, 2007 17:56:01 GMT -5
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Post by sparklingblue on Jul 5, 2007 1:41:14 GMT -5
Looks good though. I like the detail with the eagles flying in the red smudge (of blood?). And I like the sepia design better than the coloured one, actually.
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Post by Ace on Jul 12, 2007 12:23:34 GMT -5
BBC Files now has the release date August 17th (moving it against the Bourne Ultimatum -- err) The other film sites, including the Official Icon SF site still have it at Aug 3rd, so either they're behind in the change or the change hasn't happened. There are also differences in several films' dates between schedules.
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Post by Ace on Jul 13, 2007 20:05:04 GMT -5
Eh - I would rather the movie was sold to Showtime or HBO first so it could finally get it's wider adult audience. Why is Sony selling it off to Hallmark with older films? Probably for an extra 3 cents. I really hate Sony. SF is "family friendly"? So hard hitting realistic violence is family friendly -- as long as we don't see anyone naked it's entertainment for the whole family! I wonder if they'll cut the very few curse words -- wouldn't want to offend any children and grandparents. Hallmark unveils biggest movie slateUS cable net Hallmark Channel has revealed it is in development on the largest slate of original movies in its history as part of its strategy to ramp up production. More than 30 original movies are scheduled to air on the network in 2008, and Hallmark has signed a number of development and production deals with producers. Gerald Abrams (Nuremberg) has signed such an agreement with Hallmark and will produce the first movie to be broadcast from this new slate. Titled When You Listen, the film will feature Happy Days star Tom Bosley and will air on January 5. Other producers who have secured either development or production deals with the company include Orly Adelson (Ruffian) and San Wigutow (Fatal Vision). Henry Schleiff, president and CEO of Hallmark Channel and Hallmark Movie Channel, said: "In partnering with this prominent list of producers, we provide our audience with a variety of quality, emotionally connecting movies. "The movies range from love stories to mysteries to westerns, but all have a singular distinguishing characteristic: family friendly."
In addition, Hallmark has acquired a number of theatrical titles for its summer/fall 2007 season. These include crime thriller US Marshals, westerns Seraphim Falls and Open Range, and police drama Stone Cold.
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Post by Lauryn on Jul 14, 2007 13:03:42 GMT -5
Eh - I would rather the movie was sold to Showtime or HBO first so it could finally get it's wider adult audience. Why is Sony selling it off to Hallmark with older films? Probably for an extra 3 cents. I really hate Sony. SF is "family friendly"? So hard hitting realistic violence is family friendly -- as long as we don't see anyone naked it's entertainment for the whole family! I wonder if they'll cut the very few curse words -- wouldn't want to offend any children and grandparents. What is in the water supply in the industry these days? Seraphim Falls is family friendly? And I didn't even know that the Hallmark Channel bought first run films. Even "Open Range" seems too bloody for them and from what I remember its violence is more standard and less visceral than SF's. Aren't repeats of Bonanza and Little House on the Prairie more Hallmark's speed? OT, but that reminds me of a priceless barb from apostate Ponderosa-ite Pernell Roberts, who described squeaky clean Bonanza with a sniff as "sarsaparilla and soda water" (I think Roberts could really enjoy getting his yas yas out on a guest shot in Deadwood, if he got an offer). Yes, it is such a shame Seraphim Falls won't get aired to a broader and more sophisticated audience. I wonder what sort of bowdlerized Hallmark version we'll get. Look out for the Waltons-esque tag scene at the end. "Goodnight Carver!" "Goodnight Gideon!"
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Post by Ace on Jul 14, 2007 13:24:29 GMT -5
I gather the gist of that article is that Hallmark is branching out to showing first run films and having a larger theatrical slate. Even those Jessie Stone made for TV films with Tom Selleck are more 'adult" than "family". Hallmark used to actually make wonderful intelligent films for network TV but I can't recall the last I've seen. Maybe they want to get back that demographic -- or I'd think they did if they didn't insist on calling SF and Open Range "family" entertainment. I think that term for them really comes down to no sex or nudity Nothing says family entertainment like dropping a knife into someone's skull then slicing open their belly to warm your frost bitten hands - Too bad they didn't keep the dwarf and large prostitute scene -- it would have saved SF from ever being considered family entertainment (of course as with The Matador we'd then get all these complaints that it really wasn't necessary to have all that needless sex or language -- because then it would be family entertainment!) Ace
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