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Post by Ace on Aug 6, 2005 19:09:11 GMT -5
I can't recall whether this was discussed before (and it probably was) but I was just watching the A&E Pierce Bio from last year and they had a shot of the 1st season pilot script and he's named (even while masquerading as Mr Benjamin Pierson) as .... drumroll ... Harry!
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Post by Yuliya on Aug 6, 2005 21:08:18 GMT -5
They knew his name was Harry. Not surprising, though, seeing as Chalmers uses it at the end of the same season. Or maybe they didn't know he didn't know his real name yet so they gave him a name which turned out not to be real (to be unreal?)... Or maybe they were the only ones who knew his real name and he was looking in a wrong place all along... Interesting...
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Post by Ace on Aug 7, 2005 0:34:58 GMT -5
They knew his name was Harry. Not surprising, though, seeing as Chalmers uses it at the end of the same season. Ah but Chalmers didn't meet "Harry" until he was over 10 and named him himself. Did they know that Chalmers would turn out to be his father that soon? Yes, Steele should have just stepped off the page/screen and went to Gleason and asked. They were just toying with him! No wonder Laura said he looked like a "Harry". He didn't like look a Harry, not at all -- but she knew -- she knew all along -- she got it out of Gleason! Oh the duplicity! Ace
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Post by Yuliya on Aug 7, 2005 8:09:19 GMT -5
They knew his name was Harry. Not surprising, though, seeing as Chalmers uses it at the end of the same season. Ah but Chalmers didn't meet "Harry" until he was over 10 and named him himself. Did they know that Chalmers would turn out to be his father that soon? Watching too many soap operas put their subconscious to work...? Or maybe they kept their options open to be able to say, "What a coincidense!"... I really do with they took some time in the commentary to tell about the general development of the show - did they go where the skirt took them, so to speak or did they have some plan and some idea of the background of their characters. Of course, they did have some idea but I wonder to what extent.
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Post by Myrtle Groggins on Aug 9, 2005 0:01:55 GMT -5
Oh my, the confusion you have put me through!!! I can't make out half of what you guys are saying. But, Yes, I have seen a photo of the original script before and knew they were calling him "Harry" way back in the earliest days. However, isn't the "Pilot" Tempered Steele and not License to Steele which was the "Premiere" episode? I tend to think in the beginning they were just as confused as we are. ;D During the first season, there were several references to "Harry" so I think the writers or creators must have an affiniity with the name: Tempered, Vintage, Sting at least.
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Post by curious george on Aug 9, 2005 17:25:01 GMT -5
Hey, Ace, you didn't spoil anything for me, but there are a few youngsters on this board yet. You might want to set up a spoiler alert before you give away a major plot point. cg
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Post by Ace on Aug 9, 2005 17:53:52 GMT -5
Hey, Ace, you didn't spoil anything for me, but there are a few youngsters on this board yet. You might want to set up a spoiler alert before you give away a major plot point. cg Sorry, but my rule of thumb is that if it's over 20 years old it's no longer a spoiler. Pssst: Rosebud is a sled! Ace
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Post by Yuliya on Aug 9, 2005 20:05:52 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D
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Post by Ace on Aug 9, 2005 21:19:58 GMT -5
Now now, you shouldn't encourage me. I'll put a spoiler in the topic title for all the tender 5th season virgins.
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Post by curious george on Aug 9, 2005 23:18:18 GMT -5
Okay, fine. Have it your way. Norman Bates is his own mother! Anyone else? ;D cg
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Post by Myrtle Groggins on Aug 10, 2005 3:46:00 GMT -5
Pssst: Rosebud is a sled! Ace Boy, am I glad I saw that movie a month ago. I'd hate for the ending to have been ruined for me here. My daughter and I went to see it a at downtown theatre in early July.
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Post by Myrtle Groggins on Aug 10, 2005 3:48:13 GMT -5
And Scarlett O'Hara thinks about it tomorrow. While Rhett doesn't give a damn. So, if he was called Harry in the early script, what was he called later? Steele? Remington? Harry? Handsome mysterious guy with those blue eyes?
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Post by Ace on Aug 10, 2005 9:45:47 GMT -5
And Scarlett O'Hara thinks about it tomorrow. While Rhett doesn't give a damn. And thaen it's all ruined by that horrid TV Mini-series! Ptooey. He's called Steele after the first episode (License, the re-done Pilot not Tempered the original pilot that was meant to show them mid realtionship) Ace
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Post by Yuliya on Aug 10, 2005 10:31:40 GMT -5
And Scarlett O'Hara thinks about it tomorrow. While Rhett doesn't give a damn. And thaen it's all ruined by that horrid TV Mini-series! Ptooey. What was? Was Gone With The Wind, er, mini-seried? Oh well, why not; if Rome Holiday could be remade... Really, if we're into disclaimers, we need to put more serious ones, else somebody may accidenatlly find out something unexpected. Mr. Steele, for instance, seriously ruined for me The Third Man, which I hadn't seen. If not for the good acting, great directing, and that wonderful, wonderful music, who knows, Graham Greene's writing alone might not have been enough to hold my interest for the entire length of the movie knowing whodonit.
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Post by Ace on Aug 10, 2005 11:01:53 GMT -5
And thaen it's all ruined by that horrid TV Mini-series! Ptooey. What was? Was Gone With The Wind, er, mini-seried? Oh well, why not; if Rome Holiday could be remade... Really, if we're into disclaimers, we need to put more serious ones, else somebody may accidenatlly find out something unexpected. Mr. Steele, for instance, seriously ruined for me The Third Man, which I hadn't seen. If not for the good acting, great directing, and that wonderful, wonderful music, who knows, Graham Greene's writing alone might not have been enough to hold my interest for the entire length of the movie knowing whodonit. Roman Holiday was remade by who? Even so I doubt it was a repugnant continuation story that must have had to original author rolling in her grave. But yes there was a horrendous "Scarlett" miniseries made in 1994. Joanne Whalley Kilmer & Timothy Dalton were the perpetrators. Mr Steele gave away plot points and twists to numerous films. I loved him for it. He discussed movies the way a movie lover discusses them. You can't discuss the Third Man without spilling the "secret" otherwise it's just a film with neat zither music. Ace
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Post by Yuliya on Aug 10, 2005 12:41:17 GMT -5
Roman Holiday was remade by who? Even so I doubt it was a repugnant continuation story that must have had to original author rolling in her grave. Not a sequrl, not a continuation story. It was years ago, I saw that Roman Holiday was on, tuned in, and saw that. In color. I think I watched until the moment she asked him to help her undress - it was pretty close to the original. I don't know what they changed later. But yes there was a horrendous "Scarlett" miniseries made in 1994. Joanne Whalley Kilmer & Timothy Dalton were the perpetrators. Ah, Scarlett, I think I've heard about it. I thought you meant a remake of Gone With The Wind. Mr Steele gave away plot points and twists to numerous films. I loved him for it. He discussed movies the way a movie lover discusses them. You can't discuss the Third Man without spilling the "secret" otherwise it's just a film with neat zither music. Zither; thank you. I couldn't remember what it was called and didn't have time to look it up. It's not just neat, it's fascinating, though perhaps I'm biased - the tape I watched had a documentary on the musician and I couldn't take my eyes off his hands. Neither could the director, I take - the camera stayed on them for quite some time. Mr. Steele didn't discuss the movie; he had no one to discuss it with. He just gave away the most crucial plot points to solve the case and then spoiled the ending to console Laura, but I didn't complain - it's a lot more than just a mystery movie anyway.
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Post by Myrtle Groggins on Aug 11, 2005 12:36:40 GMT -5
I think that 20-year rule about it not being a spoiler applies to Mr. Steele, too. I mean, how was he to know his audience hadn't seen a 40+-year old movie. I'd seen it, and most of the movies Steele discussed, long before the premiere of Remington Steele. One of the great discoveries when first watching RS as a new TV series was his love of Humphrey Bogart, an actor I loved since childhood, and the wonderful Cary Grant, who ran neck-in-neck with Bogart in my book, albeit in very different categories. Robert Wagner was another childhood crush, although he never quite reached the HB and CG peak. BTW, I own a copy of "Scarlett" simply for the lead actor.
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Post by sparklingblue on Aug 12, 2005 16:31:46 GMT -5
Revelations, revelations! So he was Harry all along. We should have guessed by now, just by the amount of movies in which PB's character was named Harry. As for the GWTW sequel: I have read both the book Scarlett and also sat through large parts of the mini-series. The book was okay, though I think it's partly the appeal of GWTW that you DON'T know what happens after Rhett leaves. It is about Scarlett growing up, as it were, and starting a life of her own. The mini-series on the other hand: I don't want to offend anybody, but there are no actors who can step into the shoes of Vivien Leigh and Clark Gable.
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Post by curious george on Aug 12, 2005 18:13:27 GMT -5
Unfortunately, my daughter saw Sting of Steele before she ever saw The Sting. Talk about a spoiler! Could anyone see the glow emanating from central Indiana last night as I watched Vintage on DVD for the first time? That was me, smiling. Ahh...uncut, no commercials....bliss. cg
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Post by Myrtle Groggins on Aug 14, 2005 14:32:16 GMT -5
Well, there is no excuse for not having seen The Sting, since that movie has got to be pushing 30, at least. I mean, it's older than MY daughter!!! Are you keeping your child sheltered?? Any good mother knows she must make a list of Steele's movie references, head out to a library or video store, and bring them home promptly to share with family members who haven't seen those movies. Watching the movies is a must before watching any RS episodes. I know somebody has Steele's movie list somewhere on the web. Somebody has lots of DVD/video watching to do. Ah, Vintage, uncut, uninterrupted, uncensored........my favorite kind of viewing experience. edited for the usual typos
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